tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5571196086974668221.post844018467364038127..comments2024-03-12T05:02:29.895-07:00Comments on Mycrimetime: Dark Day In Phoenix - Arias Remains UnsentencedMy Fortehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03325989686201777541noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5571196086974668221.post-1572809994657801082013-05-27T21:10:11.240-07:002013-05-27T21:10:11.240-07:00M. Bethnae, I agree with your previous comment th... M. Bethnae, I agree with your previous comment that it's very unlikely that a jury which has not heard the entire case would vote for the DP. Even though I was obsessed with this case, I now feel kind of burnt out and really just disgusted by the fact that Jodi successfully, masterfully lied and will forevermore conceal the true facts of the case. I'm ready for her to be sent away w/out parole, never to be heard from again. As I previously said, I wish there were some additional evidence Juan could bring into the new penalty phase.cindy h.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5571196086974668221.post-15462432748077185172013-05-27T11:41:44.390-07:002013-05-27T11:41:44.390-07:00Weird! What the hell does he want to talk to her a...Weird! What the hell does he want to talk to her about that he couldn't have asked during the opportunity for jury questions after her time on the stand?<br />Personal stuff??<br />Is he married? If I was his wife I'd divorce him over that strange sentiment of wanting to talk to her now.<br /><br />AliceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5571196086974668221.post-84961116156102885182013-05-27T11:39:10.652-07:002013-05-27T11:39:10.652-07:00-Alice-AliceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5571196086974668221.post-68296906579783997072013-05-27T11:37:42.395-07:002013-05-27T11:37:42.395-07:00Wow.. in what way did Juan Martinez "talk to ...Wow.. in what way did Juan Martinez "talk to him like he was stupid?"<br />The defence team tried to assume the jury was incredibly stupid, as judged by their ridiculous domestic violence claims.<br />Also... they foreman is trying to critisize Juan for being "merciless"????<br />Where is his criticism for the defence attornies who were basically unethical and embarassingly inept (for example Willmot's cringe-worthy cross-exam of Dr Demarte, where she tried to emulate Martinez and failed laughably), as well as defence withness ALV who slandered Travis and lied on the stand.<br />Which team behaved worse?<br />Um... the defence!?!<br />Yet he selects to critize Juan?????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5571196086974668221.post-68399891700823489962013-05-27T10:44:52.748-07:002013-05-27T10:44:52.748-07:00Thank you, I can't wait to check it out!
I ha...Thank you, I can't wait to check it out! <br />I had recently watched a black and white movie called "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane", solely because I have heard it referenced on gossip sites over the years, and became very curious about it.<br />(It was really good and certainly one I'll never forget.)<br />I think I'll really like this Gaslight you described because crime/psychology stuff really interests me (as it seems to all of us posters here at the aptly- named MyCrimeTime!) <br />AliceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5571196086974668221.post-35662818172486549772013-05-27T04:32:07.441-07:002013-05-27T04:32:07.441-07:00Gaslight's an old movie Alice, from the 40'...Gaslight's an old movie Alice, from the 40's I believe. Ingrid Bergman is emotionally tortured by her husband, he drives her to believe she's going insane. It's a wonderful movie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5571196086974668221.post-37935309046511624412013-05-26T16:34:03.623-07:002013-05-26T16:34:03.623-07:00Hi Anony (12:06) I had the feeling as I was listen...Hi Anony (12:06) I had the feeling as I was listening to JM on that final day that he was trying to bring TA's humanity back into the courtroom since he had been so thoroughly trashed throughout the trial. He did that for Travis's family too I think. I do wish there had been more pounding the fact in that they had convicted her already of 1st Degree Premeditated Murder and that it was heinously carried out with no mercy.JM had plenty to work with in terms of what was already entered into the trial. However, in view of this last penalty phase verdict, and something so obviously being 'off' and seriously questionable with that, I feel rather strongly that nothing would have mattered and made no difference in the outcome. This foreman man had his mind made up! And for whatever reason he had...he was pulling for Ariasssss. IMO.<br /><br />I agree that if she gets DP, IF there is round 2, she more than likely won't get the needle. I have learned 68% DP sentances are over-turned on appeals. That's a pretty high percentage...and with her particular skillset...she very possibly can pull a rabbit outta da hat! Oh, oh..we all just want her to go away! This is SAD and INFURIATING...<br /><br />~M.Bethnae~Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5571196086974668221.post-66264863418098065252013-05-26T15:35:59.621-07:002013-05-26T15:35:59.621-07:00I agree as well Anony (2:28} Men don't fare to...I agree as well Anony (2:28} Men don't fare too well in these things...not average income men anyway. And women with a bit of age and diminishing looks don't do too well either. I could be very wrong on both counts. I only state my personal opinions and thoughts...it doesn't mean I am right. Anyway, I feel there are many ppl sitting in prison that weren't so blessed with appealing looks. I kinda thought bias would enter into this case due to bombarding the jury with all the 'blonde bombshell' images. Then the first 2 verdicts came in! Wow, I said to myself! Now the penalty phase verdict is another kinda WOW. I just don't understand in view of the first 2 verdicts being what they were. I am not saying it HAD to be death...but NO verdict isn't acceptable given the other 2 verdicts. It leaves many of us to wonder, doesn't it?<br /><br />Hello to you, btw....<br /><br />~M.Bethnae~Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5571196086974668221.post-26397967736176226422013-05-26T14:52:17.020-07:002013-05-26T14:52:17.020-07:00Yup Sonja...I left out ALL that stuff, but we all ...Yup Sonja...I left out ALL that stuff, but we all know those things as they were brought out. I was looking at a more subtle thing...although just one more thing that can't be proven unfortunately. But, you are very right to reiterate these glaring things. That foreman is a tad off me thinks. Common sense got wrapped up in that fog!<br /><br />And hello...<br /><br />~M.Bethnae~Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5571196086974668221.post-45386441484756412652013-05-26T12:43:08.856-07:002013-05-26T12:43:08.856-07:00NancyB - AGREED!
One point though, I actually thi...NancyB - AGREED!<br /><br />One point though, I actually think she might have killed that dog... What dog runs away never to return b/c they've been kicked once? Seriously.<br /><br />SonjaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5571196086974668221.post-52380324360902102422013-05-26T12:33:43.407-07:002013-05-26T12:33:43.407-07:00M. Behnae - Since when is breaking into bank accou...M. Behnae - Since when is breaking into bank accounts, FB accounts, peeping in windows, sleeping under xmas trees b/c you've been there so long spying, slashing all 4 tires 2 days in a row, slashing your girlfriends tires, moving within the same neighborhood of your ex AFTER you breakup, on and on and on, how is that NORMAL behavior? This guy is nuts.<br /><br />SonjaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5571196086974668221.post-16148993141890858152013-05-26T12:27:13.140-07:002013-05-26T12:27:13.140-07:00Nancy - I agree completely! That thinking is in l...Nancy - I agree completely! That thinking is in line with the people who insist that the jury should have been sequestered. So the attorney's can make a vow to protect their client, the witnesses can vow to tell the truth (inc JA), but the jury isn't to be trusted to not watch TV or discuss the case? This certainly would have been an appeal issue if they had been sequestered in the middle, almost admitting they were tainted and not telling the truth.<br /><br />The foreman view seems so biased! Of course it's supposed to be regular, un-jaded citizens! In Florida, the majority rules and it would have been DP! The jury doesn't have to be unanimous! AZ has the extra protection of unanimity. Jerk. I wonder how he would feel if it was his son...<br /><br />SonjaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5571196086974668221.post-51018675843292026932013-05-26T12:18:17.673-07:002013-05-26T12:18:17.673-07:00Sue - I'm a movie person and I like the underl...Sue - I'm a movie person and I like the underlying meanings and like to get references that most people miss. Listen to the how Andy McDowell describes her perfect man... I have seen it many, many times. There is some debate about how long he repeats the day... one year? a thousand? The same director did Bedazzled which is very cute and has an underlying message :)<br /><br />SonjaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5571196086974668221.post-60081284537513190152013-05-26T12:06:20.816-07:002013-05-26T12:06:20.816-07:00As you walk into deliberations, the first thing yo...As you walk into deliberations, the first thing you do besides look at eachother and think, wow, this is for real, is decide on a foreperson. This person isn't necessarily the smartest in the room (as appears to be the case here), but the person with confidence and leadership skills. After hearing/reading some of his comments I'm trying to figure out how they decided on premeditated 1st degree murder. All the evidence shows this but there is the human factor that is not evidence but will always have some say in the matter. After a few days of deliberations, deciding on the 1st degree, we get to the aggravating factor. 1+ hours later and we have the only possible answer to this question. Now the penalty phase. Last I checked gender wasn't a mitigating factor? Sounding like a victim, nope in fact evidence shows otherwise. Not having the looks of a psycho killer (whatever this may be), nope. If you are going to spend the rest of your life in prison, what can you possibly offer the world? Nothing. What can you offer the prison world? Who cares? For me, JM is part of the reason that they were not able to resolve the penalty phase. He needed to emphasize that she may look like your neighbour, she may sound like an innocent human being, she may be articulate but they convicted her of a horrendous crime. He didn't do this. He focused solely and to a certain extent correctly on Travis. This cost him. I'm not really sure if he is allowed to say things that I mentioned but I would think that at the least he could have expressed the fact that although she may not look like a killer, she committed a horrendous crime that the jury agreed was 1st degree premeditated murder. <br /><br />Deciding that another human being has committed a crime such as 1st degree murder is not an easy thing. You tend to feel too much pressure, too much responsibility is put on you. Their is a God factor that we are not able to cope with. You must detach yourself from it all and realize that you are doing a job. You must obey the instructions that are given to you by the judge and if you do so, you will be fine with your decision. It will still be very much an emotional moment, again too much power for little ole me. For the death penalty I would assume that this is magnified 1000 times over but again, you are not the one who committed the crime, you are not the one who will put her to death. I don't understand how they were able to be unanimous on 1st degree, then the aggravating factor but not the penalty. They did not follow their instructions. <br /><br />Going forward, maybe the next jury will have the courage to sentence her to the death penalty? Either way I don't think she will ever face the needle. I believe the Arizona system has passed a Supreme Court challenge but how can someone be sentenced to death by a jury who never convicted her of 1st degree murder? Makes no sense. I hope she dissappears off the face of the earth, is beaten on a regular basis (then she will be an abuse victim) and is surrounded by those pictures in her cell and dreams. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5571196086974668221.post-88634740708074460042013-05-26T08:28:38.558-07:002013-05-26T08:28:38.558-07:00Great points, both of you.
I was thinking the same...Great points, both of you.<br />I was thinking the same thing about the jury foreman. <br />If you are judging (in this case favourably) someone based on their looks than you are being biased.<br />I was really disappointed at his comments when he said that looking at her, he couldn't believe she would be capable of such a heinous crime.<br />What does her looks have to do with it?<br />Anyways... what about her smirking, smug expressions throughout the trial?<br />Shouldn't that have over-ruled her nature-given looks that a person can neither help nor earn?<br /><br />AliceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5571196086974668221.post-10868941000089741782013-05-26T08:18:06.667-07:002013-05-26T08:18:06.667-07:00I want to want watch the movie "Gaslight"...I want to want watch the movie "Gaslight" that was mentioned above, now. I trust your guys' taste!<br />I've started posting quite regularly on here now, so I'm going to start signing off with my name :)<br /><br />AliceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5571196086974668221.post-87753097263235149572013-05-25T22:32:19.171-07:002013-05-25T22:32:19.171-07:00Grrrrr. Thanks M.B. This guy just blows my mind. O...Grrrrr. Thanks M.B. This guy just blows my mind. One more incredible, awful detail in a trial full of them. Foreman? How did that happen?! Sigh. : (<br /><br />SueAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5571196086974668221.post-41931203808575335462013-05-25T22:22:12.062-07:002013-05-25T22:22:12.062-07:00Right on, NancyB!
SueRight on, NancyB!<br /><br />SueAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5571196086974668221.post-61425163179595342022013-05-25T22:14:13.620-07:002013-05-25T22:14:13.620-07:00I completely agree, Anon 2:28. Sadly I have been t...I completely agree, Anon 2:28. Sadly I have been thinking the same thing. If JA was a black male the trial probably wouldn't have lasted a week and it would have ended with the DP.<br /><br />SueAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5571196086974668221.post-4321827413419063082013-05-25T22:08:10.970-07:002013-05-25T22:08:10.970-07:00Hi guys,
I agree, Sonja, you did not ramble. I ap...Hi guys, <br />I agree, Sonja, you did not ramble. I appreciate your posts... And everyone up here! Now I want to see Groundhog Day. I missed that one somehow.<br /><br />SueAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5571196086974668221.post-43771503074278931392013-05-25T21:57:36.625-07:002013-05-25T21:57:36.625-07:00Correct Nancy. Pedophiles don't go both ways....Correct Nancy. Pedophiles don't go both ways. Also, Jody knew it was illegal to record someone without them knowing it...so, of course, she says it had been talked about and mutually agreed upon previously that their sex convos would be recorded. Again, absolutely now proof of that lil tidbit. Sad that TA said that and how easily it was turned against him...the real victim here...the one that is dead...murdered.<br /><br />As for this jury foreman..he talks outta both sides of his mouth actually. He stated that he was speaking on behalf of all of the jurors...funny that some wanted 'DP' isn't it? Something is not right with the whole thing...and with this man...and I feel like it's gonna come out sooner or later. Perhaps another juror will speak out in time. I hope this foreman goes and visits Jody and perhaps he'll get sucked into the vortex. She destroys, lays waste to everything she breathes on or looks at. It's like an invasion of aliens(ari-ass)!!<br /><br />~M. Bethnae~Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5571196086974668221.post-56092141132829616412013-05-25T21:52:55.394-07:002013-05-25T21:52:55.394-07:00IRAQ...THEY HAD WMD
MILLIONS DEAD
OOPSIRAQ...THEY HAD WMD<br />MILLIONS DEAD<br /><br />OOPSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5571196086974668221.post-25002327554275894462013-05-25T21:13:46.830-07:002013-05-25T21:13:46.830-07:00I agree NancyB. But, then I believe anything and e...I agree NancyB. But, then I believe anything and everything she says are "designer lies!" Thankfully, she made a few mistakes enough to get her to Murder 1-Premeditated with an aggravated factor. But, it continues to baffle me that the jurors could get there yet unable to render any verdict at all. As, I don't consider a 'non-verdict' a verdict. Did they forget among her many lies, she sat there and lied to them too, as did the defense witnesses. In fact, the entire case was just that..a lie. After I had given up that many months of my life it would have been like pissing down my leg and telling me it's raining. Very offensive. But, it would do far more than offend me...it would squarely place me back into my belief system of using simple little common sense "life tools" as I call them, in order to gauge people I have to deal with. One big one is "once someone shows you who they are...Believe them." The other is, "if you want to know a horse, look at it's track record."______<br /><br />Which brings me something else entirely...the foreman stated..."she had a perfectly normal life prior to TA. Well, I don't believe that at all. I believe she 'played a role' with everyone she met. Poor Mr. Brewer...I believe he didn't even know who she was or what he was dealing with at that time in his life, because she played a very careful role with him. Just my belief. What her life turned into after she met TA was already there... building, building, building. And it was never gotten into check obviously along the way. But, there were signs. I know there had to have been. Had it not been TA she did this to, it would have been someone else. It was what it was, and she was who she was, deeply rooted deadness. There is no pill for this. No combination of pills. No therapy either if she refuses to ever come clean. And it's clear to me she knows she lies because she carefully plans and tailors them to whatever circumstance needed..to whoever she is faced with. In other words, on a very well clarified level she is acutely aware of what is working for her. She knows she lies and she is not willing to stop. It all comes down to her Will. It is not even bridled now because of incarceration...yet the behavior continues. And it runs the gamut... all the veiled verbal stabs...subtly lashing out, placing blame, manipulation, turning on that fatal charm which is also tied into her sexuality...THE PERPETUAL ACT...and lying continues. It all takes much thought, and carefully laid out plans. Hence this is why even the professionals continually get sucked in. The gig isn't up for her yet. But, for now, she isn't on the streets...<br /><br />Just my thoughts and belief...<br /><br />~M. Bethnae~<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5571196086974668221.post-26212392933373713142013-05-25T19:59:02.136-07:002013-05-25T19:59:02.136-07:00She may have duped 4 jurors, but 8 clearly wanted ...She may have duped 4 jurors, but 8 clearly wanted her as dead as I/(we) do.<br /><br />What bothers me the MOST about this trial, is not the penalty phase mistrial. What makes me ENRAGED, is that a DEAD MAN was put on trial! The worst thing a human being can be wrongly accused of is (IMO) is a pedophile! The fact that it was EVER ALLOWED to come into trial without evidence is SO WRONG! It was allowed to be submitted in a court of law, because he said on a (blackmail) audio, “You sound like a 12 year old girl having her 1st orgasm”- WTF? Make up your mind Jodi, does he like little girls, or little under-roo clad boys? Pedophiles are not known to have preferences for both sexes. So yes, this is a DANGEROUS precedent!<br /><br />She will know she LOST, after one week in Perryville.NancyBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03356062566096810280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5571196086974668221.post-63473282222603953052013-05-25T19:33:54.907-07:002013-05-25T19:33:54.907-07:00I just listened to Inside Edition and I am soooo c...<br />I just listened to Inside Edition and I am soooo confused listening to this man.<br /><br />Jody is innocent until proven guilty — WTF is he talking about? She ADMITTED that she did it in her testimony.<br /><br />He claims that “she was a 100% “normal” young lady prior to Travis” —Ohhh who does that sound like? I think that he listened to Darryl’s interview. I really do. Was he ASLEEP during the prosecution’s case?<br /><br />The 15 y/o JA so pissed over being grounded for staying out all night that she quits school and moves in to a shack with a boyfriend. The one that kicks dogs. The one that goes after her brother with a baseball bat. The one that travels a hundred miles to confront Matt McCartney’s new girlfriend. The one that gets boob jobs while her house is going into foreclosure. Is that the normal young lady that he’s talking about? The one that ALV says that punches holes in walls& breaks down doors. Ohhhh.<br /><br />This man is NOT normal at all. Not sure what deranged planet this cueball is from. Please will one of the other 8 talk now and put this man on blast. I would be livid if I was on a jury with him and he caused me to not be able to render the ONLY just verdict that the law calls for and the court had ALREADY PROVEN.<br /><br />Juan is soooooo lucky he got FIRST degree murder out of this jury. The way this guy is talking he reminds me of a dirty old man who has a thing for Jodi, i don’t know how he agreed to convict her of first degree murder. Thank God they did that part RIGHT!!!!!<br /><br />Zevakos replied, “Yeah, I’d really like to talk to Jodi. But I’d like to ask her the questions that about what really happened?”<br /><br />What? Who does this guy think he is? If Det Flores couldn’t break her he thinks that he can? This man is a full blooming idiot.<br /><br />“Now the penalty phase will have to be done all over again with another jury”. Bill Zevakos says finding another impartial jury will be almost impossible.<br />“I just think it’s going to be brutally difficult and quite frankly i don’t think it’s fair.”<br /><br />LOLOLOLOL What does he mean about finding ANOTHER impartial jury? He was anything but an impartial juror!<br /><br />He has the nerve to complain about the way JA’s been treated! Really? That she’s been crucified in the court of public opinion. I can’t stand to listen to this tripe.<br />NancyBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03356062566096810280noreply@blogger.com